Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.liberalism From: "Brigitte Bustier" Subject: Re: Hot for Brigitte Boisselier X-Mailer: Ghost Mail 5.1 http://ay.home.ml.org/ Lines: 54 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:55:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.169.188 X-Trace: feed2.centurytel.net 1041807311 209.142.169.188 (Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:55:11 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:55:11 CST All the politicians here in the States are jumping on the bandwagon heading up the high road to felonize cloning. Okay. We cannot and will not allow any chance for a defective child to be born. I thoroughly go along with the notion that no child is expendable. I suggest felonizing natural childbirth, because there is at least a 2% chance that any natural born child will be defective: statistics say 1% of the population are criminals and belong in jail and 1% are nuts and belong in a mental institution. Add the other defectives and its probably 3% or more. Anybody challenge those figures? It won't matter anyhow. The Genie is out of the bottle. The power to breed the human race is now within practical reach. It has been tried before. I am not talking about Nazi Germany, but right here in the U.S. In the '20s, something called eugenics was tried, mostly in mental institutions and with miscegenation (and other restrictive) marriage laws. It was decided it did not work or it was contrary to our ideal of unlimited freedom and liberty we so dearly enjoy today, so it was abandoned. Earlier on in human history, breeding of livestock was discovered to work and work well and is still used extensively today. Just look at cattle or dogs. Both have been highly bred or more accurately, inbred, to achieve remarkable results. No one can confuse a toy poodle with the wolf it once was not too many thousand years ago, a mere moment in evolutionary time. Cloning short cuts thousands of years and all that inbreeding which really would concentrate deleterious traits. Whereas, an Isaac Newton only comes along every few hundred years in normal procreation, once such a man reappears, we can make 10 or 100 of him in a single generation! Whether or not you think this is moral is totally irrelevant: some nation is going to clone their creme de la creme and RULE! Any nation who does not clone will not be able to compete anymore. Its that simple. Chance procreation is a dead end, except to produce hordes of expendable drones to service the military-industrial complex and service industries. When a J. Robert Openheimer, Edward Teller or any other such great men who have done the most for our country are born, our Government will eventually come around and subsidize their replication because we will need to do that to survive in the Brave New World which will surely come. There are those, I am sure that say a clone is not the same as the person from which it was made. They talk about nature, nuture and adaptation and all that silliness. I take exception to that. Of course you could clone a bunch of Einsteins and train them to flip burgers at McDonalds, but you could alternatively train each and every one of them Calculus, Celestial Mechanics, Quantum Physics, and Theroretical Mechanics. And they will ALL learn those subjects and thrive with them and contribute new knowledge in those fields. And that is guaranteed. Take an ordinary procreated person and you will be lucky if you can get him to spell those subjects, much less than learn any of them to any degree of proficiency. Yes, those politicians are talking big now, but just wait 20 years. They are like vacuum tube electronic engineers living in an age of large scale integrated circuits. They are fossils.