The amount of hatred against RMS in the FOSS community is unbelievable. If we start judging everyone based on the worst opinion they've ever had about anything, the world will become a very dismal and hopeless place
The amount of hatred against RMS in the FOSS community is unbelievable. If we start judging everyone based on the worst opinion they've ever had about anything, the world will become a very dismal and hopeless place
is it hatred? i don't hate him for what he said. i think it's monumentally stupid and misinformed, and that Stallman obviously does not have an adequate understanding of coercive relationships, but i don't hate him. as far as I'm concerned this shouldn't hold any weight regarding Stallman's philosophy on software and its significance to the FOSS community.
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Our glorious leader, 'Merica, has said and done much worse. Yet no one seems to care.
The difference is that Glorious Leader has no moral compass, while Stallman does.
People with a moral compass in our society are destined to fail, because they fly too close to the sun for their beliefs. This is a shame, as we need more people like Stallman, not less.
The glorious leader ain't resigning however mud slinging you do to him. And on the other hand, you morally shamed a guy like Richard Stallman into resigning. What message are we sending to people in the positions of power then? Is it that don't be good but be that brutal moron who is insensitive to people's problems?
we already are judging everyone based on the worst opinion they've ever had about anything, and the world is already a very dismal and hopeless place because of this.
ironically enough, everyone's private conversations is getting monitored (stallman's statement was said on a private mailing list until it got leaked) and getting their lives ruined over it - just as stallman predicted - but the people doing it aren't the NSA. it's just the internet hate mob. which is even worse because it's a different hate mob every time, so there's no one set of ideas or thoughts you know for certain you should avoid in order to not get completely shit on by everyone.
on a private mailing list
if I'm not wrong, i think this was on a mailing list inside their university, hardly a private mailing list either.
I don't think anyone on this sub hates him. The consensus seems to be that he said something really dumb/insensitive/pointless, and that hurts the cause. We're not going to die on this hill and risk free software and the freedom to repair because of this.
I don't even think he said something dumb. He was trying to defend his colleague Minsky by presenting a theory on the most likely scenario on the sexual assault accusations (mind you, Minsky is no longer alive to defend himself) and people misconstrued what Stallman said.
I think it's just a case of being at wrong place at the wrong time, as if this had happened two years ago before all of the recent Epstein controversy, I don't think anyone would've cared/ wanted Stallman's blood.
You know, a person can be really wrong and have some terrible ideas while also being right about something else. The hate and anger he gets for his wrong and terrible ideas is perfectly reasonable as it was a terrible and hurtful stance on that topic.
The stance that "maybe Minsky didn't know she was coerced, so let's not jump to conclusions" is terrible and hurtful? Or did you just read the headlines and believe that he actually defended Epstein?
I don't hate him, though, I don't really like him either. The guy's a genius and he made some crucial contribution to software and society but he can fuck up monumentally.
I almost find myself to agree with him on basically everything but this time he fucked up. And it's not like he held these opinions a while ago and since dismissed them(like his awful statements on child consent a while ago). He still holds these opinions. He still believes what he said or else he wouldn't have said that he was "simply misunderstood".
But he was misunderstood, he only defended Minsky saying that Minsky probably mistakenly thought the girl was willing since she was coerced by Epstein but people misunderstood this and thought he defended Epstein by calling the girl willing
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He still believes what he said or else he wouldn't have said that he was "simply misunderstood".
His words were literally reported as the opposite of their actual meaning. It's way beyond misunderstanding. And he wasn't saying that his words about child consent were misunderstood. That's a completely separate topic; he also flat out retracted those statements about child consent the other day with no qualifications or holdouts, saying that he had since had discussions leading him to believe he was wrong; that's something that should be respected, not condemned.
And yet you're saying it on Reddit, without Stallman there would be no Reddit.
Stallman isn't rotten though. This whole controversy is bullshit, if you actually read the details. He was defending his friend of accusations of sexual assault, which a full reading of the circumstances showed to be justified.
I don't know many people who hate him.
I know lots of people who have found his behavior abhorrent for decades, though, especially towards women. It is well past time for him to go. He did some important things, but IMO he's been doing more harm to FOSS than anything else for a long time now.
I know lots of people who have found his behavior abhorrent for decades, though, especially towards women.
Can you name some examples? (serious question)
While we're at it, can someone link to the emails in which Stallman fucked up?
